[Parentsgroup-list] RE: Parentsgroup-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 1

wenc at fas.harvard.edu wenc at fas.harvard.edu
Sat Sep 22 21:51:48 EDT 2007


Changing things to support mothers (and fathers who want to spend large amounts
of time with their kids) will mean a total restructuring of the entire work
culture.  Not just in academia, but everywhere.  It's like ending dependence on
fossil fuels for energy--it will require basic changes in every part of society.

I keep hearing, though, that we are on the edge of a major change--at Harvard,
and in the rest of the country, when it comes to support for mothering and
hands-on fathering and caretaking in general.  I think it's still way, way at
the beginning of this change--but I actually think maybe this is right.  I hope
so, anyway.

I mean, would a woman have asked for pumping time during her medical board exams
even five years ago?  Certainly not 10.  (& BTW, med schools are now basically
50-50 male and female--and some say that medicine is actually becoming a
women's profession, at least when it comes to caring for patients.  Perhaps
it's just coincidence that doctors have less status and make less money than
they used to...)

--Christine




Quoting "A.M. Cloutier" <amcloutier8 at hotmail.com>:

>
>
>
> see, I don't think that it is a priority in this country to support
> breast-feeding, at all.  In fact, it seems never to be a priority to support
> ANY moms.  If we were that country we'd have viable alternatives to childcare
> for young kids and infants, like a two year parent's leave (that's how long
> the American College of OB"s and GYN's are recommending that moms breast feed
> for), or subsidized care for all kids, not just special needs and really
> really poor folks.
> I'm not surprised that they won't accommodate her, especially since our
> courts aren't even making them!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Peace,
> AM
>
>
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> > Subject: Parentsgroup-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 1
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> >    1. Re: Pumping during medical boards (Ziva Mann)
> >    2. Pediatrician in East Cambridge (Marna S. Costanzo)
> >    3. Re: Pediatrician in East Cambridge (Deborah Freedman Woods)
> >    4. Re: Pediatrician in East Cambridge (Andrea Heberlein)
> >    5. Apartment in Davis Square (Ann Ishimaru)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:40:58 -0400
> > From: "Ziva Mann" <ziva.mann at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Parentsgroup-list] Pumping during medical boards
> > To: Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Judy,
> >
> > thanks for the tip - I did some reading, and now I'm just irked.
> >
> > I'm not surprised that a test-administering board knows nothing about
> > breastfeeding. (One 45 minute break per 4.5? hrs for a woman nursing a 4
> mo.
> > baby? Ouch. Just thinking about it makes my ducts ache. And apparently
> she's
> > prone to mastitis. Oy.) I'm pretty disappointed that the judge doesn't know
> > enough about it to make a reasonable ruling, though. Yeesh.
> >
> > And yes, there's lots of folks getting hung up on the ADHD/dyslexia. I
> agree
> > with you - they are missing the point.
> >
> > What's really fascinating is the response from her fellow medical students.
> > The vocal ones are fiarly awful about it (with perhaps an exception or
> two).
> > Maybe we should just hope that the awful ones never go into pediatrics...
> >
> > -Ziva
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/07, Judith Scott-Clayton <Judith_Scott-Clayton at ksgphd.harvard.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw on CNN yesterday or the day before that the judge has denied her
> > > request.  They didn't provide too many details, but I guess basically the
> > > judge said something to the effect that other nursing moms have found a
> w=
> > ay
> > > to deal with it and that she can just take the test after she's done
> nurs=
> > ing
> > > (part of her argument, though, is that she needs to pass the test in
> order
> > > to accept a fellowship starting this fall).
> > >
> > > Maybe I shouldn't be shocked, but I am.  Whether or not organizations are
> > > legally required to offer accommodations, I just can't understand why
> they
> > > wouldn't WANT to make these accommodations voluntarily.  It just seems
> li=
> > ke
> > > common sense.
> > >
> > > A link to a news article is here:
> > >
> > >
> http://news.aol.com/story/_a/mom-loses-bid-for-breast-pump-breaks/2007092=
> > 0093909990001
> > >
> > > If you haven't followed the story I would recommend finding another
> > > article for the background - this one leaves a lot of key details out
> (li=
> > ke
> > > the fact that the test is 9 hours long for two days in a row).
> > >
> > > I think many people are reacting to some of the specifics of this case
> > > (the fact that Sophie had already taken the test once, and that she is
> > > receiving other accommodations), but I personally don't see how these
> fac=
> > ts
> > > are relevant to the basic question of whether accommodations should be
> ma=
> > de
> > > for breastfeeding moms.  I know that if I had to go a full day with only
> =
> > one
> > > opportunity to pump, that would be pretty disruptive.  Two days in a row
> > > would be even worse.  Not saying it would be impossible, but I think we
> c=
> > an
> > > aim higher than that, especially if as a society we are trying to
> encoura=
> > ge
> > > women to breastfeed, while also encouraging women to enter
> underrepresent=
> > ed
> > > fields.
> > >
> > > - Judy
> > >
> > > -----parentsgroup-list-bounces at lists.hcs.harvard.edu wrote: -----
> > >
> > > To: Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > > From: ziva.mann at gmail.com
> > > Sent by: parentsgroup-list-bounces at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > > Date: 09/21/2007 12:29AM
> > > Subject: [Parentsgroup-list] Pumping during medical boards
> > >
> > > Anyone know what's going on with this MD/PhD student who is suing to be
> > > allowed to pump breastmilk during her board exams?
> > >
> > > -Ziva
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> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:53:13 -0400
> > From: "Marna S. Costanzo" <mcostanz at fas.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: [Parentsgroup-list] Pediatrician in East Cambridge
> > To: <Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu>
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> > Does anyone have any recommendations for a good pediatrician at Cambridge
> > Hospital or somewhere in that vicinity?  And if you've had a bad experience
> > please let me know too!  We recently switched my 2-year old's health
> > insurance so he will no longer be able to go to HUHS, and we're looking for
> > a new pediatrician.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Marna
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:13:24 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Deborah Freedman Woods <dwoods at cfa.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Parentsgroup-list] Pediatrician in East Cambridge
> > To: "Marna S. Costanzo" <mcostanz at fas.harvard.edu>
> > Cc: Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0709211405010.18893 at auriga.cfa.harvard.edu>
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> > We love our pediatrician, who's located on Mass Ave. in
> > Arlington, about 5 minutes from the Cambridge border.  We
> > see Elizabeth Chamberlain Landis.  The other doctors in the
> > practice are Matthew Scofield and Rajee Joyce.  All of them
> > are fantastic (our favorite is Dr. Landis with Dr. Scofield
> > a close second).
> >
> > They always have same-day appointments for sick visits, they
> > have drop in hours every day 8:00-8:45am, and they're also
> > available on the weekends as needed.  They're extremely
> > knowledgeable and thorough, but don't tend to push
> > medications more than necessary.  Contact info is:
> >
> > Arlington Pediatric Associates
> > 5 Water Street
> > Arlington 02476
> > (781) 641-5800
> >
> > I know it's not as convenient as the Cambridge Hospital, but
> > worth considering.
> >
> > Best,
> > Deb Woods
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Marna S. Costanzo wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a good pediatrician at Cambridge
> > > Hospital or somewhere in that vicinity?  And if you've had a bad
> experience
> > > please let me know too!  We recently switched my 2-year old's health
> > > insurance so he will no longer be able to go to HUHS, and we're looking
> for
> > > a new pediatrician.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marna
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:23:43 -0400
> > From: Andrea Heberlein <heberlein at wjh.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Parentsgroup-list] Pediatrician in East Cambridge
> > To: Deborah Freedman Woods <dwoods at cfa.harvard.edu>,	"Marna S.
> > 	Costanzo" <mcostanz at fas.harvard.edu>
> > Cc: Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > Message-ID: <a0611040fc319bc797b31@[140.247.247.109]>
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> >
> > Seconding that recommendation-- we see Dr. Schofield and have been
> > very happy for all the reasons listed.  It is a schlep from East or
> > Mid-Cambridge, though, especially during rush hour.
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> > At 2:13 PM -0400 9/21/07, Deborah Freedman Woods wrote:
> > >We love our pediatrician, who's located on Mass Ave. in
> > >Arlington, about 5 minutes from the Cambridge border.  We
> > >see Elizabeth Chamberlain Landis.  The other doctors in the
> > >practice are Matthew Scofield and Rajee Joyce.  All of them
> > >are fantastic (our favorite is Dr. Landis with Dr. Scofield
> > >a close second).
> > >
> > >They always have same-day appointments for sick visits, they
> > >have drop in hours every day 8:00-8:45am, and they're also
> > >available on the weekends as needed.  They're extremely
> > >knowledgeable and thorough, but don't tend to push
> > >medications more than necessary.  Contact info is:
> > >
> > >Arlington Pediatric Associates
> > >5 Water Street
> > >Arlington 02476
> > >(781) 641-5800
> > >
> > >I know it's not as convenient as the Cambridge Hospital, but
> > >worth considering.
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >Deb Woods
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Marna S. Costanzo wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Does anyone have any recommendations for a good pediatrician at
> Cambridge
> > >>  Hospital or somewhere in that vicinity?  And if you've had a bad
> experience
> > >>  please let me know too!  We recently switched my 2-year old's health
> > >>  insurance so he will no longer be able to go to HUHS, and we're looking
> for
> > >>  a new pediatrician.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Thanks!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Marna
> > >>
> > >>
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:45:58 -0400
> > From: Ann Ishimaru <Ann_Ishimaru at gse.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: [Parentsgroup-list] Apartment in Davis Square
> > To: parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > Message-ID: <46F538B6.4050305 at gse.harvard.edu>
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> >
> > Hi all -
> >
> > We live in a great 3-unit historic house just outside of Davis Square in
> > North Cambridge, and the apartment below ours is opening up.  We wanted
> > to spread the word in hopes of getting another family, but also because
> > we know from personal experience that there's a dearth of de-leaded
> > apartments in the area.  The first-floor apartment is a 2 bedroom, fully
> > de-leaded, with hardwood floors, washer/dryer (in the unit), built-in
> > microwave, central AC (lifesaver in the summer!) and gas heat,
> > dishwasher, gas stove, living room and dining room, basement storage
> > area, and front and back decks.  The location is great - just off Mass
> > Ave., 7 min. walk to the Davis T, or a straight shot down Mass Ave. on
> > the 77 bus to Harvard campus.  It's close to the lively shops and
> > restaurants of Davis Square but in a neighborhood of many families, just
> > down the street from Teele Square, and around the corner from a
> > wonderful playground.
> >
> > The owner/landlord (who lives on the 3rd floor) also prefers a family,
> > and is asking $1585-1600 not including utilities, which could start as
> > early as November (but may be negotiable for later as well).
> >
> > Shoot me an email if you are interested & I can get you more information
> > and get you in touch with the landlord.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Ann Ishimaru
> > Doctoral student
> > Graduate School of Education
> > (and mom of Mika, age 16 months)
> >
> >
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