[Parentsgroup-list] RE: Parentsgroup-list Digest, Vol 161, Issue 1

A.M. Cloutier amcloutier8 at hotmail.com
Thu Nov 29 08:30:00 EST 2007


Hi there, =

I used to be the landlord of an old building.  If the landlord doesn't know=
 whether or not there is lead in the house, then he doesn't have to deal wi=
th it.  So it is actually in their best interest to not get tested.  Most o=
ld houses have lead paint in them, lead paint, when exposed,  is usually wh=
ite and does that dusty, wipe off on your finger thing. Most lead paint is =
not exposed, as it has usually been painted over by now. Some folks conside=
r it "safe" after a number of layers of paint have been painted over it, so=
me think that that is crap.  Windows have the most friction around their pa=
inted surfaces from going up and down, rubbing off the paint and creating d=
ust.  So unless all the plaster, molding, windows and inside trim have been=
 replaced since 1978 or so, you're probably living in a place with lead pai=
nt.  However, just because it's there doesn't mean that your kids are absor=
bing it, unless they are eating chips or breathing dust, they are "probably=
" safe, (but I wouldn't want my kids around it)




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>    1. dealing with lead (Michelle Forman)
>    2. Re: dealing with lead (heberlein at wjh.harvard.edu)
>    3. Re: dealing with lead (Ann Ishimaru)
>    4. Re: dealing with lead (wenc at fas.harvard.edu)
>    5. Re: dealing with lead (Alexander Van Zandt Akin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:22:32 -0500
> From: "Michelle Forman" <formanmi at gse.harvard.edu>
> Subject: [Parentsgroup-list] dealing with lead
> To: wenc at fas.harvard.edu,parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
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> My husband and infant son live in an apartment that is not de-leaded. I w=
as wondering if anyone =

> had knowledge of / experience with testing for lead in the home, the use =
value of a vacuum with a =

> Hepa filter, or any steps that we should take.
> =

> Thanks so much,
> =

> Michelle
> =

> =

> =

> =

> =

> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:26:33 -0500
> =

> =

> =

>   wenc at fas.harvard.edu wrote:
> > Hi all--a professor is looking for a Korean speaker to be a babysitter =
for his
> > daughter.
> > =

> > --Christine
> > =

> > --------------------------
> > =

> >    Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:43:33 -0500
> >    From: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> > Reply-To: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> > =

> > My name is Hunter Gehlbach.  I'm an assistant professor here at the
> > School of Education.  My wife and I are looking to find a little bit
> > of child care starting next semester for 1 (or possibly 2) days per
> > week and have a strong preference to find a Korean speaker so that
> > our daughter can begin to learn the language.
> > =

> > Our daughter, Kaya, will be 7 months old in January when we would
> > need this person to start.  Our home is in Arlington and is easily
> > accessible by the #77 bus.
> > =

> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> > =

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> Michelle Forman
> Doctoral Student
> Harvard Graduate School of Education
> formanmi at gse.harvard.edu
> 774-217-1292
> =

> =

> ------------------------------
> =

> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:32:39 -0500 (EST)
> From: <heberlein at wjh.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Parentsgroup-list] dealing with lead
> To: "Michelle Forman" <formanmi at gse.harvard.edu>
> Cc: parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> Message-ID:
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> =

> Our house is not de-leaded either, and I'd been relying on testing any
> little paint chips/scuffs (as well as toys) with the kind of lead test
> kits sold at hardware stores.  However, the CPSC recently released a
> report showing that many such home-use lead test kits are totally
> unreliable, so I'm a bit stumped.  Last time I checked (this was in
> Philly, not here) hiring a lead inspector for a private home was something
> like $400.
> =

> The one thing that I've heard is that a major source of lead exposure due
> to paint, if the paint isn't peeling, is from wooden windows-- raising and
> lowering them creates paint dust from the friction between the window and
> the frame.  So if your apartment has new windows you're in good shape--
> and if not, you should wipe down (with a wet cloth or paper towel) all
> surfaces near the window, including wet mopping the floor, frequently.
> =

> Sorry not to be more useful--
> Andrea
> =

> > My husband and infant son live in an apartment that is not de-leaded. I
> > was wondering if anyone
> > had knowledge of / experience with testing for lead in the home, the use
> > value of a vacuum with a
> > Hepa filter, or any steps that we should take.
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > Michelle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:26:33 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >   wenc at fas.harvard.edu wrote:
> >> Hi all--a professor is looking for a Korean speaker to be a babysitter
> >> for his
> >> daughter.
> >>
> >> --Christine
> >>
> >> --------------------------
> >>
> >>    Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:43:33 -0500
> >>    From: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> >> Reply-To: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> >>
> >> My name is Hunter Gehlbach.  I'm an assistant professor here at the
> >> School of Education.  My wife and I are looking to find a little bit
> >> of child care starting next semester for 1 (or possibly 2) days per
> >> week and have a strong preference to find a Korean speaker so that
> >> our daughter can begin to learn the language.
> >>
> >> Our daughter, Kaya, will be 7 months old in January when we would
> >> need this person to start.  Our home is in Arlington and is easily
> >> accessible by the #77 bus.
> >>
> >> ----- End forwarded message -----
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> > Michelle Forman
> > Doctoral Student
> > Harvard Graduate School of Education
> > formanmi at gse.harvard.edu
> > 774-217-1292
> > _______________________________________________
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> =

> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:07:19 -0500
> From: Ann Ishimaru <Ann_Ishimaru at gse.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Parentsgroup-list] dealing with lead
> To: parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> Message-ID: <474E3AF7.7020507 at gse.harvard.edu>
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> =

> You can get the city to come and do a lead inspection for free if you =

> have a child under age six living in the home.  That does put it all "on =

> the record" in terms of your landlord, if you are in a rental, so you =

> should be aware of that when you call for it.  We had the city of =

> Arlington come and do one - we got in touch with the Arlington Board of =

> Health.  I'd guess there's a similar deal in other cities as well.
> Ann
> =

> =

> =

> =

> =

> heberlein at wjh.harvard.edu wrote:
> > Our house is not de-leaded either, and I'd been relying on testing any
> > little paint chips/scuffs (as well as toys) with the kind of lead test
> > kits sold at hardware stores.  However, the CPSC recently released a
> > report showing that many such home-use lead test kits are totally
> > unreliable, so I'm a bit stumped.  Last time I checked (this was in
> > Philly, not here) hiring a lead inspector for a private home was someth=
ing
> > like $400.
> >
> > The one thing that I've heard is that a major source of lead exposure d=
ue
> > to paint, if the paint isn't peeling, is from wooden windows-- raising =
and
> > lowering them creates paint dust from the friction between the window a=
nd
> > the frame.  So if your apartment has new windows you're in good shape--
> > and if not, you should wipe down (with a wet cloth or paper towel) all
> > surfaces near the window, including wet mopping the floor, frequently.
> >
> > Sorry not to be more useful--
> > Andrea
> >
> >   =

> >> My husband and infant son live in an apartment that is not de-leaded. I
> >> was wondering if anyone
> >> had knowledge of / experience with testing for lead in the home, the u=
se
> >> value of a vacuum with a
> >> Hepa filter, or any steps that we should take.
> >>
> >> Thanks so much,
> >>
> >> Michelle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:26:33 -0500
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   wenc at fas.harvard.edu wrote:
> >>     =

> >>> Hi all--a professor is looking for a Korean speaker to be a babysitter
> >>> for his
> >>> daughter.
> >>>
> >>> --Christine
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------
> >>>
> >>>    Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:43:33 -0500
> >>>    From: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> >>> Reply-To: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> >>>
> >>> My name is Hunter Gehlbach.  I'm an assistant professor here at the
> >>> School of Education.  My wife and I are looking to find a little bit
> >>> of child care starting next semester for 1 (or possibly 2) days per
> >>> week and have a strong preference to find a Korean speaker so that
> >>> our daughter can begin to learn the language.
> >>>
> >>> Our daughter, Kaya, will be 7 months old in January when we would
> >>> need this person to start.  Our home is in Arlington and is easily
> >>> accessible by the #77 bus.
> >>>
> >>> ----- End forwarded message -----
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Parentsgroup-list mailing list
> >>> Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> >>> http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/parentsgroup-list
> >>>       =

> >> Michelle Forman
> >> Doctoral Student
> >> Harvard Graduate School of Education
> >> formanmi at gse.harvard.edu
> >> 774-217-1292
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Parentsgroup-list mailing list
> >> Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> >> http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/parentsgroup-list
> >>
> >>     =

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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:01:01 -0500
> From: wenc at fas.harvard.edu
> Subject: Re: [Parentsgroup-list] dealing with lead
> To: Ann Ishimaru <Ann_Ishimaru at gse.harvard.edu>
> Cc: parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> Message-ID: <1196312461.474e478d6af5c at webmail.fas.harvard.edu>
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> =

> =

> I am surprised you are living in a non-deleaded place!  It's actually ill=
egal in
> MA for landlords to rent to anyone with kids under 6 unless the place is
> deleaded--if your kid gets lead poisoning you are easily able to sue them.
> =

> Make sure your kids are not anemic--if they are low in iron, lead comes i=
n and
> takes its place.  You should get them tested regularly.  (Kids in MA are
> supposed to be tested every year; I might do it more often than that if I=
 knew
> I was living with lead.)
> =

> Just be aware that the finger-stick test can be totally inaccurate--my son
> tested high for lead and I went through a ridiculous fiasco until the arm=
 stick
> test showed his levels were actually much lower--he must have stuck his f=
inger
> in lead dust on the way to the doctor.
> =

> Also--don't forget the dirt outside your house.  (Lead there comes from f=
laking
> exterior paint, but is also the remains of all those decades of leaded
> gasoline.)  I had my yard soil tested with the U Mass Amherst labs, and it
> actually came back with lead levels so high it was considered toxic waste=
. =

> Make sure people take shoes off at the door, don't let kids eat that dirt=
, etc.
> =

> I ended up just having the topsoil replaced with clean dirt.  There are a=
lso
> plants you can plant--a variety of mustard is one--that will suck up the =
lead. =

> (Don't eat these greens, obviously!)
> =

> --Christine
> =

> =

> =

> =

> Quoting Ann Ishimaru <Ann_Ishimaru at gse.harvard.edu>:
> =

> > You can get the city to come and do a lead inspection for free if you
> > have a child under age six living in the home.  That does put it all "on
> > the record" in terms of your landlord, if you are in a rental, so you
> > should be aware of that when you call for it.  We had the city of
> > Arlington come and do one - we got in touch with the Arlington Board of
> > Health.  I'd guess there's a similar deal in other cities as well.
> > Ann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > heberlein at wjh.harvard.edu wrote:
> > > Our house is not de-leaded either, and I'd been relying on testing any
> > > little paint chips/scuffs (as well as toys) with the kind of lead test
> > > kits sold at hardware stores.  However, the CPSC recently released a
> > > report showing that many such home-use lead test kits are totally
> > > unreliable, so I'm a bit stumped.  Last time I checked (this was in
> > > Philly, not here) hiring a lead inspector for a private home was some=
thing
> > > like $400.
> > >
> > > The one thing that I've heard is that a major source of lead exposure=
 due
> > > to paint, if the paint isn't peeling, is from wooden windows-- raisin=
g and
> > > lowering them creates paint dust from the friction between the window=
 and
> > > the frame.  So if your apartment has new windows you're in good shape=
--
> > > and if not, you should wipe down (with a wet cloth or paper towel) all
> > > surfaces near the window, including wet mopping the floor, frequently.
> > >
> > > Sorry not to be more useful--
> > > Andrea
> > >
> > >
> > >> My husband and infant son live in an apartment that is not de-leaded=
. I
> > >> was wondering if anyone
> > >> had knowledge of / experience with testing for lead in the home, the=
 use
> > >> value of a vacuum with a
> > >> Hepa filter, or any steps that we should take.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks so much,
> > >>
> > >> Michelle
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:26:33 -0500
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   wenc at fas.harvard.edu wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all--a professor is looking for a Korean speaker to be a babysit=
ter
> > >>> for his
> > >>> daughter.
> > >>>
> > >>> --Christine
> > >>>
> > >>> --------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>    Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:43:33 -0500
> > >>>    From: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> > >>> Reply-To: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> > >>>
> > >>> My name is Hunter Gehlbach.  I'm an assistant professor here at the
> > >>> School of Education.  My wife and I are looking to find a little bit
> > >>> of child care starting next semester for 1 (or possibly 2) days per
> > >>> week and have a strong preference to find a Korean speaker so that
> > >>> our daughter can begin to learn the language.
> > >>>
> > >>> Our daughter, Kaya, will be 7 months old in January when we would
> > >>> need this person to start.  Our home is in Arlington and is easily
> > >>> accessible by the #77 bus.
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- End forwarded message -----
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Parentsgroup-list mailing list
> > >>> Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > >>> http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/parentsgroup-list
> > >>>
> > >> Michelle Forman
> > >> Doctoral Student
> > >> Harvard Graduate School of Education
> > >> formanmi at gse.harvard.edu
> > >> 774-217-1292
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Parentsgroup-list mailing list
> > >> Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > >> http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/parentsgroup-list
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:01:35 -0500
> From: Alexander Van Zandt Akin <akin at fas.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Parentsgroup-list] dealing with lead
> To: parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> Message-ID: <1196312495.474e47af9bcca at webmail.fas.harvard.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1
> =

> It was also our experience that the city helped, although in our case the=
y made
> the landlord pay for the test. There is a great resource for families in
> Cambridge that I've attached near the end of this e-mail. A word of cauti=
on: in
> Cambridge many, if not most, apartments have lead paint, and it is not AT=
 ALL
> unusual for the landlord to lie about it. Even among the listings of off-=
campus
> housing at Harvard, the university makes no effort to check if the "delea=
ded"
> places have really been deleaded. Having "Uncle Jim" do an amateur delead=
ing
> job actually makes the problem worse, as the sanding, etc. releases lots =
of
> lead dust, but in my experience all of the places we checked out from Har=
vard's
> listings had been amateur deleading jobs. The only way to know for sure i=
s to
> have the apartment (not some other apartment in the same building) tested=
. Our
> former landlord at 16-19 Forest Street systematically tries to pass off t=
he
> same decade-old lead test results for one deleaded apartment to every fam=
ily
> that moves in. When we had our room tested, we found that there were all =
kinds
> of problems, especially from the window dust someone mentioned in an earl=
ier
> e-mail. Eventually it snowballed into a disaster where we had to hire a l=
awyer,
> etc. to force the landlord to act. But in Cambridge the city government is
> really on your side, and the landlord ended up paying over $10,000 for
> professional deleading, without our rent rising. (Of course, that meant t=
hey
> could charge double the rent after we moved out, because professionally
> deleaded apartments are so rare there!)
>   For help in Cambridge, you can contact the Lead Safe Cambridge office. =
They
> were extremely helpful in our case. Here is the website:
> http://www.ci.cambridge.ma.us/CDD/lead/index.html
>    Good luck!
> -Alexander Akin
> =

> =

> =

> Quoting Ann Ishimaru <Ann_Ishimaru at gse.harvard.edu>:
> =

> > You can get the city to come and do a lead inspection for free if you
> > have a child under age six living in the home.  That does put it all "on
> > the record" in terms of your landlord, if you are in a rental, so you
> > should be aware of that when you call for it.  We had the city of
> > Arlington come and do one - we got in touch with the Arlington Board of
> > Health.  I'd guess there's a similar deal in other cities as well.
> > Ann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > heberlein at wjh.harvard.edu wrote:
> > > Our house is not de-leaded either, and I'd been relying on testing any
> > > little paint chips/scuffs (as well as toys) with the kind of lead test
> > > kits sold at hardware stores.  However, the CPSC recently released a
> > > report showing that many such home-use lead test kits are totally
> > > unreliable, so I'm a bit stumped.  Last time I checked (this was in
> > > Philly, not here) hiring a lead inspector for a private home was some=
thing
> > > like $400.
> > >
> > > The one thing that I've heard is that a major source of lead exposure=
 due
> > > to paint, if the paint isn't peeling, is from wooden windows-- raisin=
g and
> > > lowering them creates paint dust from the friction between the window=
 and
> > > the frame.  So if your apartment has new windows you're in good shape=
--
> > > and if not, you should wipe down (with a wet cloth or paper towel) all
> > > surfaces near the window, including wet mopping the floor, frequently.
> > >
> > > Sorry not to be more useful--
> > > Andrea
> > >
> > >
> > >> My husband and infant son live in an apartment that is not de-leaded=
. I
> > >> was wondering if anyone
> > >> had knowledge of / experience with testing for lead in the home, the=
 use
> > >> value of a vacuum with a
> > >> Hepa filter, or any steps that we should take.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks so much,
> > >>
> > >> Michelle
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:26:33 -0500
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   wenc at fas.harvard.edu wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all--a professor is looking for a Korean speaker to be a babysit=
ter
> > >>> for his
> > >>> daughter.
> > >>>
> > >>> --Christine
> > >>>
> > >>> --------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>    Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:43:33 -0500
> > >>>    From: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> > >>> Reply-To: Hunter Gehlbach <Hunter_Gehlbach at gse.harvard.edu>
> > >>>
> > >>> My name is Hunter Gehlbach.  I'm an assistant professor here at the
> > >>> School of Education.  My wife and I are looking to find a little bit
> > >>> of child care starting next semester for 1 (or possibly 2) days per
> > >>> week and have a strong preference to find a Korean speaker so that
> > >>> our daughter can begin to learn the language.
> > >>>
> > >>> Our daughter, Kaya, will be 7 months old in January when we would
> > >>> need this person to start.  Our home is in Arlington and is easily
> > >>> accessible by the #77 bus.
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- End forwarded message -----
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Parentsgroup-list mailing list
> > >>> Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > >>> http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/parentsgroup-list
> > >>>
> > >> Michelle Forman
> > >> Doctoral Student
> > >> Harvard Graduate School of Education
> > >> formanmi at gse.harvard.edu
> > >> 774-217-1292
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Parentsgroup-list mailing list
> > >> Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > >> http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/parentsgroup-list
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Parentsgroup-list at lists.hcs.harvard.edu
> > > http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/parentsgroup-list
> > >
> > >
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> > http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/parentsgroup-list
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