[Parentsgroup-list] family-friendly policies, GSAS?
miranda at fas.harvard.edu
Sat Mar 4 11:46:11 EST 2006
That pressure is already being excercised, FYI, via official letters from
the Government Department, at least. According to such letters, what you
describe as being debated is already a fact, Diana. Furthermore, it is
asserted that no funding will be available for g7+.
I have seen how Harvard's incipient family-friendly policies combine with
the g7+ policies, and it seems to me they do not match at all. Surprise
As for that extra year (2 in my case?) well... I am still trying to see
what that means in reality. So far it hasn't meant anything.
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Diana Ramirez wrote:
> Remember how good the talk surrounding the 'extra year' for students who
> need to work at a reduced rate due to pregnancy or the need care for small
> children sounded back in December?
> Aparently, Dean Skocpol, while emphasizing that we 'get this extra year' is
> now also proposing a new regulation to reduce the number of G8+ students.
> According to the representative for my department (architecture and urban
> planning) attending Monday's GSC meeting, there was mention that "If this
> proposal is accepted, the number of offers that a department can make will
> be reduced by the number of its G8+ students. Translation: if a department
> typically admits four students but has two who are G8+, it will only be able
> to make two offers that year. This has not yet been approved, but it is
> being debated."
> Which seems to mean that even when in theory our 'thesis clock' can be
> stopped during pregnancy or while caring for small children, in practice it
> could actually be prevented from clicking past the 7th year. And of course,
> I can also imagine departmental pressure being exerted over those who take
> this "extra" year without officially stopping the clock...
> Has anyone heard from Skocpol or other officials at GSAS about how their
> incipient family-friendly policies might combine with the g8+-unfriendly
> from Christine Dianne Wenc
> > <wenc at fas.harvard.edu> -----
> > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:05:56 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Christine Dianne Wenc <wenc at fas.harvard.edu>
> > Reply-To: Christine Dianne Wenc <wenc at fas.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Parentsgroup-list] seeking fellowship proposal advice
> > To: Jenny Kirsten Ataoguz <jksmith at fas.harvard.edu>
> > A few answers to this question:
> > 1. The one benefit we actually have here officially is the ability
> > to stop
> > the 'thesis' clock when we have kids. From the 2004-05 GSAS Handbook
> > (everyone gets one every year at registration), p. 51:
> > "The department's 'thesis clock' should stop for students who take
> > maternity or parental leave, as well as for students who must work
> > at a
> > reduced rate because of pregnancy or the need to care for small
> > children,"
> > as well as for other personal and family difficulties.
> > 2. Dean Skocpol explicitly emphasized at that meeting that we get
> > this
> > extra year. If anyone in your dept. is not aware of this and is
> > telling
> > you otherwise, they can talk with her, or just show them the handbook.
> > 3. Both Cynthis Verba (dir. of fellowships) and Rise Shepsle (the
> > person
> > who approves leaves) emphatically emphasized the flexibility of your
> > official G year. In fact, they actually record it in 2 ways, with
> > your
> > real year in parentheses if you take a leave. For me, for
> > instance, I'm a G5 (G4). I'm a G5 in calendar years, but a G4 in
> > residence.
> > Even if you didn't take a leave, Cynthia also very emphatically stated
> > that of COURSE they will take into account the fact that you had a
> > baby!
> > (or other major issues) and that you should absolutely not be
> > afraid of
> > mentioning this on applications. (I mean, I wouldn't go on at
> > length about all your trials and tribulations, but just state the
> > facts.) Again, if your advisor or someone in
> > your dept. is telling you otherwise, the best way to clear this up
> > would
> > be to just make an appointment with Cynthia and talk with her.
> > She's very
> > accessible
> > and helpful--her full-time job, after all, is to help students with
> > grant
> > applications. And perhaps she could set the record straight with
> > whoever
> > is telling you otherwise.
> > My feeling is that plenty of people, even those who award grants, have
> > kids. They will be extra impressed to see how good your work is
> > AND that
> > you also had a baby in the middle of it, and they are not going to
> > fall
> > apart when they realize you are a year or so behind.
> > Cynthia Verba's email is cverba at fas.harvard.edu.
> > By the way, what dept. are you in, Kirsten? I wonder sometimes if the
> > sciences are not as open to this stuff as the humanities.
> > Christine
> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Jenny Kirsten Ataoguz wrote:
> >> dear All,
> >> One of the messages on this list, describing a meeting with Dean
> >> Skopcol,
> >> includes the following:
> >> "Cynthia Verba, who is the Director of Fellowships, really
> >> emphasized that
> >> if something major happens to you that affects your G year, it is
> >> absolutely
> >> fine to indicate this on any applications."
> >> I never took any time off for the birth of my daughter and have
> >> even been
> >> told not to mention any such personal things in my application,
> >> although it
> >> has certainly impacted my 'G year'.
> >> Does anyone have any insight or experience in this matter?
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Kirsten
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