[hcs-d] Google+

Charles Herrmann herrman at fas.harvard.edu
Wed Jun 29 18:11:57 EDT 2011


Btw, ads for Google+ are popping up all over the place. They're beautifully
done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwnJ5Bl4kLI&feature=player_embedded.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:02 PM, EJ Bensing <ebensing at college.harvard.edu>wrote:

> Interesting point & article.****
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> As someone who does give 2 cents about privacy, it might be nice if
> facebook made the friend list feature easier to use and a more central part
> of the privacy management system. If it had the same effect that
> LiveJournal’s privacy controls had on its users, then it could even open up
> a whole new ‘class’ of information (ie. More private) to facebook.
> Furthermore, the data on how people group their friends and a comparison of
> said groups common interests would probably be very valuable to advertisers.
> Facebook even already has the feature built in, but it is just such a minor
> part of things that I doubt many people use it. (I myself only have 1 group
> and that is to make send mass-messages easier)****
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> In the end, I consider it unlikely that facebook would do anything to make
> managing your privacy any easier, even if it would be beneficial to them.*
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> Also on the entrepreneurship/competition/ect. point, I think it is great
> that a company like google actually keeps trying to compete with facebook,
> since they actually have the resources and position to do so. ****
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> -E.J. ****
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> *From:* hcs-discuss-bounces at lists.hcs.harvard.edu [mailto:
> hcs-discuss-bounces at lists.hcs.harvard.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jim Danz
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:48 AM
> *To:* Julia Hansbrough
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> *Cc:* hcs-discuss at hcs.harvard.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [hcs-d] Google+****
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> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Julia Hansbrough <
> jhansbrough at college.harvard.edu> wrote:****
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> I wouldn't automatically discount their use of asymmetric networking as a
> blunder -- if it's going to compete with Facebook, it's going to have to
> offer a slightly different take on things, and that's not a bad way to
> differentiate.  Plus, a similar model's been proven to work before, back in
> Ye Olde Days of the web, with -- go ahead and laugh -- LiveJournal.  Though
> it's all but dead now, the site was one of the first huge social network-y /
> blog platforms, and it was incredibly slow to die -- people seemed to like
> that friending wasn't always mutual, and you were asked to set the privacy
> level on every entry before posting it.  (Interesting article with some more
> about this:
> http://33bits.org/2009/09/09/livejournal-done-right-the-case-for-a-social-network-with-built-in-privacy/
>  )****
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> Fair analysis.  It's a real change from FB.
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> *From: Jim Danz [danz at fas.harvard.edu]*
> Sent: 6/29/2011 10:14:03 AM
> To: tpak at fas.harvard.edu
> Cc: hcs-discuss at hcs.harvard.edu
> Subject: Re: [hcs-d] Google+ ****
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> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Ted Pak <tpak at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> > https://plus.google.com/up/start/?sw=1&type=st
> > Thoughts on Google's latest attempt at social?  Anybody here try it out
> yet?
> >  Current or ex-FB employees willing to say it's meh? ****
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> Sign me up (if ex-intern counts as ex-employee). Google+ is meh
> because it's basically Facebook.* The only difference is that the way
> you connect to people is more confusing. ****
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> > I had two "friends" on it (or whatever they're called) ****
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> Case in point. Even if they weren't up against the challenge of a
> world whose mental model of social networks and their vocabulary comes
> from Facebook, they'd still face the fact that there isn't even a
> natural noun. Circle-members? What? And honestly, I want to go
> ahead and say that they got it wrong with the asymmetry. It's more
> complicated to understand (see: Datamatch's move from asymmetric to
> symmetric matches, Hoon et al 2010) and doesn't allow for effort
> re-use (one person makes a group and everyone in it benefits).
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> Comedy over-the-top complaint: Say you heard about Google+ verbally.
> You might think it's "Google +". Well, if you Google "Google +",
> you're just Googling Google. Looks like + is either not supported or
> not interpreted as a literal character, but I give them credit that
> they at least hardcoded "Google+" to work.
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> Serious complaint: Google is the way that I get things done online,
> whether that's emails that need to go out, or searches that need to
> happen. I really, really, really, don't ever want a glyph showing me
> how many "Notifications"** I have from my Circle-members. That's
> where I think that Google is coming close to being a bit evil with
> this. If us using their tools for productivity rather than
> socializing isn't profitable enough for them, they go make them social
> so we'll be more engaged? I don't want to be engaged by my search
> engine. I want it to take me to the answers that I want.
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> Just saw Joe's note. Agreed on principle that FB could use some
> healthy competition. But it'd be nice for that competition to smell
> less like a clone. And, yeah, apart from the fact that Google will
> have to be more conservative with privacy because they're a bigger
> company and have blown this in the past, I see no reason to find this
> less evil than FB.
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> * Well,
> * they're probably called something other than notifications to
> minimize literal FB copying
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> > It seems like early press is quite positive--that's already an
> improvement
> > over Buzz.
> > Ted
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